--Blue Dani,
My reply has problably nothing to do with your mail because its still
too complicated to understand for me.
Never mind i just like to share something from my own experience.
I had always a picture in mind about the future of my son, a
succesful musicion, open minded and a Happy person.
a nothing to worry type so i could relax and feel happy.
It worked out different, no school little work and lots of alcohol.
And still he is my teacher and one of the most open minded persons i
have ever met in my life.
He is never afraid to say the truth, in whatever situation, sanctions
or not.
He can take responsibility for his own life and tells me that he
don't take the responsibilty for my happinness in that way.
you see?
it is all about letting go, trust, and sacrifice i guess.if you know
what i mean.
Anyway
Thanks for sharing Dani,
singing a song for you
Saman
- In isaiah19@yahoogroup
>
> Dearest Mona,
>
> I await your reply! Thank you for blessing me with your insight. I
> will explain extrinsic and intrinsic motivation. Intrinsic
motivation
> is when someone does something because they inwardly want to do it.
> Extrinsic motivation is when the cause for the desire to do
something
> comes from outside of an individual. I shall give two examples.
>
> So for example using conner, conner might want to do as the house
> rules are set because he values my guidance and input. He may feel
it
> is his duty to maintain the rules. This is an example of intrinsic
> motivation.
>
> As far as extrinsic goes, if conner wants to remain enjoying the
> freedoms in which he enjoys, and cares not to lose them, he will
> conform to the rules even if he inwardly does not want to.
>
>
> Here are two links with some further explanation.
>
http://www.ferris.
nsicvsExtrinsic.
>
> http://en.wikipedia
>
> Oh mona, I certainly understand leaving love for love. And, my heart
> goes out to you. It is a courageous brave heart, in the right place,
> that can sacrifice ones' own self in the midst of Love...
>
> Kisses to your blue pearls of wisdom! I have a tattoo of two blue
> tears on my wrist, well- it is an ambigram, so facing me is two
tears,
> facing the opposite direction is a Blue Heart...
>
> it speaks of transformation of pain to love....tears to joy.
>
> All love & Joy to you,
>
> Dani
>
>
>
> --- In isaiah19@yahoogroup
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Dani,
> > Namaste
> >
> > I feel touched by by these mails about sacrifice in love or
should it
> > be for love?
> > I am struggling with it right now!
> > I have to leave my lover out of love, can you imagine? if that is
not
> > sacrfice...
> >
> > I am so sorry but my english is that bad that i am not able to
> > respond your mail about your son, although I realy like to.
> > I have no idea if it is possible, but if so can you explain
shortly
> > what you mean for instance by extrinsic and intrinsic motivation?
> >
> > wow you speak about the blue connection, i have a blue pearl
tattoo
> > on the third eye!
> >
> > colourfull love
> >
> > Mata-Mona
> > In isaiah19@yahoogroup
> > >
> > > Dearest Ralph,
> > >
> > > I truly appreciated your perspective. It seemed to appreciate a
very
> > > private sentiment that i have cherished for a long-time. I have
> > always
> > > looked at my own faults and inequities as a "sacrifice" of
sorts. I
> > > pray that the Lord will take them, and accept them, and great
me the
> > > grace of replacing those inequities in His Name. I say that
this
> > was a
> > > private sentiment, but regarding that, I used it more or less
as a
> > > technique during meditation and contemplation.
> > >
> > > A divine Teacher once told me that there is no such thing as
> > sacrifice
> > > in Love. And for years I have contemplated this statement on
and off
> > > never really coming to a definitive thought on it, just
appreciating
> > > the sentiment rather...
> > >
> > >
> > > As to my son, he is being a bit naughty at the
moment....frankly!
> > > He is pushing at his boundaries, thus experimenting with me a
bit.
> > It
> > > is a teenage process, I am sure! However, all in the name of
> > > self-differentiatio
lies
> > > within the exercise of discernment, and good judgment which at
> > > present, he appears to be failing in...
> > > My hopes are for that he exercise good discernment and good
> > judgment,
> > > while not revolting too much. He seems to be at that point
where
> > good
> > > discernment and good judgment conflict with personal desire at
> > times,
> > > and it ends up he tries to pursue is own interest, and
disregards
> > > conformity to expectations that conflict with his interest.
> > >
> > > I am sure it will work out over time; as my most sincere
mission as
> > a
> > > parent is to develop critical thinking, and use good judgment
and
> > > discernment. It's funny because I find irony lies within the
initial
> > > ideology of my parenting and the hopes that I do not develop a
> > > sheepish person who conforms at all costs; and, the subsequent
irony
> > > which is, you need to conform to my rules since you are a
minor! I
> > > don't feel that preventing a child from situations that
necessitate
> > > discernment and good judgment is necessarily the right thing to
do
> > > when you are trying to develop the type of character traits
that I
> > am
> > > in my child. Typically, it has worked quite well. He is really
> > usually
> > > pretty good with it and exercises the kind of traits mentioned
here.
> > > But very recently, there seems to be some creative differences
> > > regarding my expectations and his. Since I am not trying to
raise a
> > > conformist, it has been interesting to notice that now, as he
is
> > only
> > > two yrs away from real emancipation, stimulating his intrinsic
> > desires
> > > to want to uphold certain familial duties/ethics/
changed
> > a
> > > bit. He seemed more willing to do these things when younger,
than he
> > > appears now.
> > >
> > > It kind of makes me feel like I am standing in the dark on a
cliff.
> > > There is such responsibility in parenting! And, at a certain
age, it
> > > appears that the adolescent wants to express their own ideas and
> > > sentiments on matters, yet- when manifestation of the maturity
to do
> > > so properly does not result, as a parent it is important to
> > illustrate
> > > the dichotomy, and provide guidance that can assist the child in
> > > successful attainment of the appropriate maturity. I have a
hard
> > time
> > > with preferring an intrinsically motivated child, than one that
> > seems
> > > to demand for extrinsic motivation. And, it is here my problem
lies
> > at
> > > present. He is not intrinsically motivated to conform to a few
basic
> > > expectations; thus, is by default forcing me to use extrinsic
> > > motivation, and this is a direct conflict or opposition with
the
> > very
> > > traits I am trying to develop in him, in my opinion.
> > >
> > > Thus comes the very thing I least want to do, and personally
abhor,
> > > which is governing like dictator and making for conformity
based on
> > > extrinsic motivation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahhh the joys of parenting...
> > >
> > > Gosh, have any ideas on this matter?!
> > >
> > > I am not too sure what your experience might be on this topic,
but I
> > > open this conversation to input from everyone who might be
willing
> > to
> > > contribute.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, with my deepest sincerity Ralph, I bless that Blue
> > > Connection, and pray for your unending joy and love, and the
> > > manifestation of those for you!
> > >
> > > love,
> > >
> > > dani
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In isaiah19@yahoogroup
> > > <Vision2028@
> > > >
> > > > Dearest Yoga5,
> > > >
> > > > How sweet of You to address me.
> > > >
> > > > I do not pretend to be an expert on anything; not love and
not
> > > > sacrifice.
> > > >
> > > > 'Sacrifice' has something of 'sacred' in it.
> > > >
> > > > Most sacrifices i think are stupid or shortsighted. There is
a
> > lack
> > > > of creativity or patience thus many people think they make a
> > > > sacrifice but they may be stubborn.
> > > >
> > > > Shiva crushes ignorance and that is a good sacrifice.
> > > >
> > > > But truly yes, to sacrifice is important. As long as we/you
also
> > grow
> > > > in the Buddhi-discriminati
sacrifice.
> > > >
> > > > Your unending love and wish for joy is very welcome. I am
> > grateful.
> > > >
> > > > Today 20 years ago i founded my company MetaVision. I was
curious
> > who
> > > > would send me a special message out of the Blue.
> > > >
> > > > It is the blue connection. I believe, yes. How is your son?
> > > >
> > > > Raspact!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dearest Ralph,
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you believe that there any such thing as sacrifice in
Love?
> > > > >
> > > > > Unending love & joy to you,
> > > > >
> > > > > dani
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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